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A SPECIAL GUEST. AND SUSAN RICE SONIS ON THE BEAT AND SUSAN RICE SONIS ON THE BEAT TONIGHT. TONIGHT. BUT WE BEGIN WITH BREAKING NEWS. BUT WE BEGIN WITH BREAKING NEWS. I CAN REPORT TO YOU RIGHT NOW I CAN REPORT TO YOU RIGHT NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME THE U.S. FOR THE FIRST TIME THE U.S. CONGRESS IS INTRODUCING THIS CONGRESS IS INTRODUCING THIS FORMAL RESOLUTION WHICH OUTLINES FORMAL RESOLUTION WHICH OUTLINES THE PATH TO DONALD TRUMP’S THE PATH TO DONALD TRUMP’S IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT. THIS IS SPEAKER PELOSI BARRELING THIS IS SPEAKER PELOSI BARRELING AHEAD ON A FULL HOUSE FLOOR VOTE AHEAD ON A FULL HOUSE FLOOR VOTE THIS THURSDAY. THIS THURSDAY. AND HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW. AND HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW. THIS ACTUALLY TELLS US NEW THIS ACTUALLY TELLS US NEW THINGS. THINGS. RESOLUTION LAYS OUT WHERE THE RESOLUTION LAYS OUT WHERE THE IMPEACHMENT PROBE GOES OVER THE IMPEACHMENT PROBE GOES OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. NEXT FEW WEEKS. THE CRUCIAL PERIOD THAT COULD THE CRUCIAL PERIOD THAT COULD LEAD TO THE IMPEACHMENT OF LEAD TO THE IMPEACHMENT OF DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP. AND THE SENATE TRIAL OF DONALD AND THE SENATE TRIAL OF DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. DEMOCRATS ARE USING THIS DEMOCRATS ARE USING THIS RESOLUTION TO CREATE THE PROCESS RESOLUTION TO CREATE THE PROCESS AND TO FIGURE OUT, TO DECIDE, TO AND TO FIGURE OUT, TO DECIDE, TO CONCLUDE ONCE AND FOR ALL CONCLUDE ONCE AND FOR ALL WHETHER SUFFICIENT GROUNDS EXIST WHETHER SUFFICIENT GROUNDS EXIST FOR THE HOUSE TO IMPEACH DONALD FOR THE HOUSE TO IMPEACH DONALD J. TRUMP. J. TRUMP. HERE’S WHAT IS KEY ABOUT THIS HERE’S WHAT IS KEY ABOUT THIS NEWS TONIGHT. NEWS TONIGHT. THE RESOLUTION CONFIRMS THE THE RESOLUTION CONFIRMS THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WILL KEEP INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WILL KEEP DRIVING THIS PROCESS. DRIVING THIS PROCESS. NOT A SELECT COMMITTEE AS WAS NOT A SELECT COMMITTEE AS WAS USED IN WATERGATE. USED IN WATERGATE. SECOND, THIS PROCESS WILL SECOND, THIS PROCESS WILL EVENTUALLY LAND BACK AT THE EVENTUALLY LAND BACK AT THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHICH OF JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHICH OF COURSE BEFORE THE UKRAINE COURSE BEFORE THE UKRAINE SCANDAL BROKE THAT WAS THE SCANDAL BROKE THAT WAS THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS PROBING COMMITTEE THAT WAS PROBING PRESIDENTIAL OBSTRUCTION PRESIDENTIAL OBSTRUCTION OUTLINED IN THE MUELLER REPORT. OUTLINED IN THE MUELLER REPORT. THIS RESOLUTION ALSO PUTS IT THIS RESOLUTION ALSO PUTS IT BACK IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT BEFORE BACK IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT BEFORE THIS THING ENDS. THIS THING ENDS. THIRD, I CAN TELL YOU THE THIRD, I CAN TELL YOU THE RESOLUTION IS NOW THE BLUEPRINT RESOLUTION IS NOW THE BLUEPRINT FOR TAKING WHAT HAS BEEN A FOR TAKING WHAT HAS BEEN A CONFIDENTIAL INVESTIGATION OF CONFIDENTIAL INVESTIGATION OF THE UKRAINE PLOT INTO PUBLIC THE UKRAINE PLOT INTO PUBLIC VIEW. VIEW. THERE IS A FRAMEWORK NOW IN HERE THERE IS A FRAMEWORK NOW IN HERE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. DEMOCRATS SAY THAT WILL CONFRONT DEMOCRATS SAY THAT WILL CONFRONT THE COMPLAINTS THAT THE PROCESS THE COMPLAINTS THAT THE PROCESS OF TO DATE HASN’T BEEN OF TO DATE HASN’T BEEN TRANSPARENT. TRANSPARENT. THERE WILL ALSO BE RULES FOR WHO THERE WILL ALSO BE RULES FOR WHO CAN QUESTION THE WITNESSES AND CAN QUESTION THE WITNESSES AND RULES FOR THE GOP CAN REQUEST RULES FOR THE GOP CAN REQUEST ITS WITNESSES. ITS WITNESSES. TODAY, SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS TODAY, SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS CONTINUED. CONTINUED.>>I APPLAUD THE SPEAKER FOR>>I APPLAUD THE SPEAKER FOR ADMITTING IT’S A SHAM. ADMITTING IT’S A SHAM.>>PELOSI NEEDS TO DECLARE A>>PELOSI NEEDS TO DECLARE A MISTRIAL. MISTRIAL. THIS HAS BEEN A TAINTED PROCESS THIS HAS BEEN A TAINTED PROCESS FROM THE START. FROM THE START.>>THIS NEW RESOLUTION DOES>>THIS NEW RESOLUTION DOES SOMETHING ELSE AS WELL. SOMETHING ELSE AS WELL. IT PROVIDES FOR SECURITY IT PROVIDES FOR SECURITY REDACTIONS AND PUBLIC RELEASE OF REDACTIONS AND PUBLIC RELEASE OF THE DEPOSITION OF WITNESSES. THE DEPOSITION OF WITNESSES. NOW, SO FAR, AS YOU KNOW, THOSE NOW, SO FAR, AS YOU KNOW, THOSE DEPOSITIONS HAVE BEEN PRIVATE. DEPOSITIONS HAVE BEEN PRIVATE. IF YOU WATCH THE NEWS, OF COURSE IF YOU WATCH THE NEWS, OF COURSE YOU KNOW THE DRILL. YOU KNOW THE DRILL. A KEY WITNESS WILL MARCH INTO A KEY WITNESS WILL MARCH INTO THE CONGRESS LIKE DIPLOMAT BILL THE CONGRESS LIKE DIPLOMAT BILL TAYLOR AND WE’LL GET QUOTES FROM TAYLOR AND WE’LL GET QUOTES FROM A STATEMENT, CLUELESS TO SOME OF A STATEMENT, CLUELESS TO SOME OF THE KEY POINTS DISCUSSED, AND THE KEY POINTS DISCUSSED, AND LATELY THOSE ALONE HAVE BEEN LATELY THOSE ALONE HAVE BEEN DAMNING TO TRUMP. DAMNING TO TRUMP. OR YOU KNOW THE DRILL, A TRUMP OR YOU KNOW THE DRILL, A TRUMP LOYALIST WILL GO TO CONGRESS LOYALIST WILL GO TO CONGRESS LIKE THIS ONE, GORDON SONDLAND LIKE THIS ONE, GORDON SONDLAND AND THINGS DRIBBLE OUT. AND THINGS DRIBBLE OUT. IT WASN’T UNTIL DAYS LATER WHEN IT WASN’T UNTIL DAYS LATER WHEN HE WAS MARCHING INTO CONGRESS HE WAS MARCHING INTO CONGRESS THAT HIS LAWYERS TOLD “THE WALL THAT HIS LAWYERS TOLD “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” HE ACTUALLY STREET JOURNAL” HE ACTUALLY CONFIRMED THERE WAS A QUID PRO CONFIRMED THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO. QUO. AND IT WAS THAT SAME DRILL, THIS AND IT WAS THAT SAME DRILL, THIS SAME DAMNING FORMAT FOR TRUMP SAME DAMNING FORMAT FOR TRUMP TODAY WITH WHAT YOU SEE HERE AS TODAY WITH WHAT YOU SEE HERE AS ARMY LIEUTENANT COLONEL ARMY LIEUTENANT COLONEL ALEXANDER VINDMAN, A CURRENT ALEXANDER VINDMAN, A CURRENT WHITE HOUSE STAFFER WENT THROUGH WHITE HOUSE STAFFER WENT THROUGH SECURITY AND MARCHED IN TO FACE SECURITY AND MARCHED IN TO FACE THIS COMMITTEE. THIS COMMITTEE. HIS OPENING STATEMENT, HE’S THE HIS OPENING STATEMENT, HE’S THE FIRST PERSON WHO WAS IN ON FIRST PERSON WHO WAS IN ON TRUMP’S UKRAINE CALL WHO HAS NOW TRUMP’S UKRAINE CALL WHO HAS NOW TESTIFIED. TESTIFIED. AS WE REPORT ON WHAT’S COMING AS WE REPORT ON WHAT’S COMING OUT OF THAT, KEEP IN MIND HOW OUT OF THAT, KEEP IN MIND HOW TODAY’S DEPOSITION COULD SHIFT TODAY’S DEPOSITION COULD SHIFT IF THE HOUSE PASSES THIS NEW IF THE HOUSE PASSES THIS NEW RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION. BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WON’T BE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WON’T BE LIMITED TO HIGHLIGHTS OR LIMITED TO HIGHLIGHTS OR READOUTS OR SOMEONE’S READOUTS OR SOMEONE’S INTERPRETATION. INTERPRETATION. YOU’LL BE ABLE TO READ THE WHOLE YOU’LL BE ABLE TO READ THE WHOLE DEPOSITION OR WHATEVER ISN’T DEPOSITION OR WHATEVER ISN’T REDACTED ONCE IT’S RELEASED. REDACTED ONCE IT’S RELEASED. LET ME TELL YOU, OF ALL THE LET ME TELL YOU, OF ALL THE DEPOSITIONS TODAY, I WILL BE DEPOSITIONS TODAY, I WILL BE ESPECIALLY INTERESTED TO READ ESPECIALLY INTERESTED TO READ THIS ARMY OFFICER’S COMPLETE THIS ARMY OFFICER’S COMPLETE ANSWERS BECAUSE WE’RE JUST HOURS ANSWERS BECAUSE WE’RE JUST HOURS OUT OF IT TONIGHT AND WE ALREADY OUT OF IT TONIGHT AND WE ALREADY KNOW IT WAS EXPLOSIVE. KNOW IT WAS EXPLOSIVE. A PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT WOUNDED A PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT WOUNDED IN IRAQ, CORROBORATING OTHERS IN IRAQ, CORROBORATING OTHERS WHO HAVE TESTIFIED THIS WAS A WHO HAVE TESTIFIED THIS WAS A QUID PRO QUO BRIBERY PLOT. QUID PRO QUO BRIBERY PLOT. HIS FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE HIS FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE REVERBERATING TONIGHT IN THE REVERBERATING TONIGHT IN THE CAPITOL. CAPITOL.>>REPUBLICANS HAVE COMPLAINED>>REPUBLICANS HAVE COMPLAINED THAT THERE WASN’T ANYONE WHO HAD THAT THERE WASN’T ANYONE WHO HAD FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE CALL. CALL. HE WAS ON THAT CALL. HE WAS ON THAT CALL.>>A PERSON WHO HAS DEDICATED>>A PERSON WHO HAS DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO THE NATIONAL HIS LIFE TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THIS COUNTRY. SECURITY OF THIS COUNTRY.>>FIRST-HAND EVIDENCE OF THE>>FIRST-HAND EVIDENCE OF THE BETRAYAL OF THIS PRESIDENT, OF BETRAYAL OF THIS PRESIDENT, OF HIS OATH OF OFFICE. HIS OATH OF OFFICE.>>NOW, IS THERE AN ARGUMENT>>NOW, IS THERE AN ARGUMENT THAT MAYBE VINDMAN, HOWEVER THAT MAYBE VINDMAN, HOWEVER HONEST AND BRAVE JUST HONEST AND BRAVE JUST MISUNDERSTOOD THE INTRICACIES MISUNDERSTOOD THE INTRICACIES HERE AS HE WAS RUNNING AROUND HERE AS HE WAS RUNNING AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE? THE WHITE HOUSE? WAS HE IN OVER HIS HEAD? WAS HE IN OVER HIS HEAD? WELL, KEEP IN MIND THIS IS THE WELL, KEEP IN MIND THIS IS THE PERSON, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PERSON, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PUT AS THE TOP UKRAINE EXPERT ON PUT AS THE TOP UKRAINE EXPERT ON THE SECURITY COUNCIL. THE SECURITY COUNCIL. TODAY HE’S TELLING MEMBERS THAT TODAY HE’S TELLING MEMBERS THAT HE WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HE WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HE WAS UP TO, THOUGH HE’S NOT HE WAS UP TO, THOUGH HE’S NOT THE WHISTLEBLOWER, HE TWICE THE WHISTLEBLOWER, HE TWICE REPORTED TO WHITE HOUSE LAWYERS. REPORTED TO WHITE HOUSE LAWYERS. HAVING LISTENED IN ON THE CALL HAVING LISTENED IN ON THE CALL HE COULD SEE THE PROBLEM HE COULD SEE THE PROBLEM UNFOLDING AND HE WAS TELLING UNFOLDING AND HE WAS TELLING THEM I DIDN’T THINK IT WAS THEM I DIDN’T THINK IT WAS PROPER TO DEMAND A FOREIGN PROPER TO DEMAND A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATE A U.S. GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATE A U.S. CITIZEN AND IT WAS CRITICAL FOR CITIZEN AND IT WAS CRITICAL FOR TRUMP TO ASK FOR A PARDON PLAY TRUMP TO ASK FOR A PARDON PLAY UNDERMINING SECURITY. UNDERMINING SECURITY. THAT’S WHAT WE KNOW NOW. THAT’S WHAT WE KNOW NOW. IF THIS NEW RESOLUTION PASSES, IF THIS NEW RESOLUTION PASSES, EVERYONE WILL KNOW A LOT MORE EVERYONE WILL KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS DEPOSITION AND ALL ABOUT THIS DEPOSITION AND ALL THE DEPOSITIONS. THE DEPOSITIONS. IF YOU’RE KEEPING TRACK OF THIS IF YOU’RE KEEPING TRACK OF THIS INVESTIGATION AT HOME, RIGHT INVESTIGATION AT HOME, RIGHT ALONG WITH US, SOMETIMES IT ALONG WITH US, SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE EASY TO FEEL LIKE QUID MIGHT BE EASY TO FEEL LIKE QUID PRO QUO, DIDN’T WE ALREADY KNOW PRO QUO, DIDN’T WE ALREADY KNOW THAT? THAT? OR REPORTED CONCERNS TO THE OR REPORTED CONCERNS TO THE LAWYERS ABOUT UKRAINE, DIDN’T WE LAWYERS ABOUT UKRAINE, DIDN’T WE KNOW THAT TOO? KNOW THAT TOO? SO IF YOU ARE THINKING THAT, I’M SO IF YOU ARE THINKING THAT, I’M HERE TO TELL YOU, YOU’RE RIGHT. HERE TO TELL YOU, YOU’RE RIGHT. INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVE INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVE PAINSTAKING, SOMETIMES PAINSTAKING, SOMETIMES REPETITIVE CORROBORATION. REPETITIVE CORROBORATION. THAT’S TRUE WHETHER IT’S BY THAT’S TRUE WHETHER IT’S BY PROSECUTORS OR BY CONGRESS. PROSECUTORS OR BY CONGRESS. YOU TAKE EACH CLAIM OR FACT AND YOU TAKE EACH CLAIM OR FACT AND YOU TRY TO MATCH IT WITH AS MANY YOU TRY TO MATCH IT WITH AS MANY WITNESSES WHO KNOW ABOUT IT. WITNESSES WHO KNOW ABOUT IT. NOW, THE WITNESSES ARE FIRST NOW, THE WITNESSES ARE FIRST HAND. HAND. SEVERAL PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE SEVERAL PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE ACTION HAVE SAID THIS WAS A QUID ACTION HAVE SAID THIS WAS A QUID PRO QUO, YOU’VE PROBABLY HEARD PRO QUO, YOU’VE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. LET’S BE CLEAR. LET’S BE CLEAR. VINDMAN WHO TESTIFIED TODAY WAS VINDMAN WHO TESTIFIED TODAY WAS THERE. THERE. HERE’S HOW “THE WASHINGTON POST” HERE’S HOW “THE WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS THAT EXTRA PUNCH OF WHAT REPORTS THAT EXTRA PUNCH OF WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE HIM TESTIFY IT MEANS TO HAVE HIM TESTIFY TODAY. TODAY. THIS IS A STORY THAT WAS COMING THIS IS A STORY THAT WAS COMING OUT LATE TODAY AS HIS TESTIMONY OUT LATE TODAY AS HIS TESTIMONY EMERGED. EMERGED. QUOTE, VINDMAN IS THE FIFTH QUOTE, VINDMAN IS THE FIFTH PERSON TO SAY THERE WAS A QUID PERSON TO SAY THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO. PRO QUO. BUT HERE’S WHY HE’S DIFFERENT BUT HERE’S WHY HE’S DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS, THOUGH. THAN THE OTHERS, THOUGH. HE’S THE FIRST WHITE HOUSE HE’S THE FIRST WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL WHO WAS ON THE JULY OFFICIAL WHO WAS ON THE JULY 25th CALL. 25th CALL. BY CONTRAST, AMBASSADOR TAYLOR’S BY CONTRAST, AMBASSADOR TAYLOR’S SIGNIFICANT ALLEGATION IS SIGNIFICANT ALLEGATION IS SECONDHAND RELYING UPON ANOTHER SECONDHAND RELYING UPON ANOTHER OFFICIAL TELLING HIM SONDLAND OFFICIAL TELLING HIM SONDLAND HAD CONVEYED THAT QUID PRO QUO HAD CONVEYED THAT QUID PRO QUO TO UKRAINE. TO UKRAINE. AND CONGRESS IS TAKING AT LEAST AND CONGRESS IS TAKING AT LEAST FOUR MORE DEPOSITIONS FROM FOUR MORE DEPOSITIONS FROM WITNESSES THIS WEEK ALONE. WITNESSES THIS WEEK ALONE. VINDMAN, AS OF COUPLE DAYS AGO, VINDMAN, AS OF COUPLE DAYS AGO, WAS NOT EVEN BILLED AS THE MOST WAS NOT EVEN BILLED AS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT WITNESS. SIGNIFICANT WITNESS. AND TONIGHT, HE HAS, IN HIS AND TONIGHT, HE HAS, IN HIS UNIFORM, SHREDDED ONE OF THE FEW UNIFORM, SHREDDED ONE OF THE FEW DEFENSES PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD DEFENSES PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD LEFT. LEFT. I WANT TO TURN TO OUR POWER PALE I WANT TO TURN TO OUR POWER PALE TO START OUR COVERAGE TONIGHT, TO START OUR COVERAGE TONIGHT, MICHELLE GOLDBERG. MICHELLE GOLDBERG. EMILY, AND BRITTANY COOPER, EMILY, AND BRITTANY COOPER, PROFESSOR AT RUTGERS. PROFESSOR AT RUTGERS. GOOD EVENING TO EACH OF YOU. GOOD EVENING TO EACH OF YOU.>>WHAT’S UP?>>WHAT’S UP?>>WHAT’S UP?>>WHAT’S UP? A LOT HAPPENED TODAY, I THINK. A LOT HAPPENED TODAY, I THINK.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK OF>>I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK OF THE EVIDENTIARY SIGNIFICANCE OF THE EVIDENTIARY SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS WITNESS. THIS WITNESS.>>YOU KNOW, WHAT’S MOST ACC ZAS>>YOU KNOW, WHAT’S MOST ACC ZAS PER PER EXASPERATING IS THAT THE THEATER EXASPERATING IS THAT THE THEATER THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ENGAGES IN IS THEY CONTINUE TO ENGAGES IN IS THEY CONTINUE TO CLAIM THEY’RE BEING VICTIMIZED CLAIM THEY’RE BEING VICTIMIZED THERE ARE SAY SHAM TRIAL, IT’S THERE ARE SAY SHAM TRIAL, IT’S DESIGNED TO GET THEIR GUY OUT DESIGNED TO GET THEIR GUY OUT AND THEY’RE CLAIMING THAT AND THEY’RE CLAIMING THAT THEY’RE POWERLESS TO STOP ALL OF THEY’RE POWERLESS TO STOP ALL OF THIS FROM HAPPENING AND THE BIG THIS FROM HAPPENING AND THE BIG BAD DEMOCRATS ARE BULLIES. BAD DEMOCRATS ARE BULLIES. BUT THE REAL POWER LIES IN THE BUT THE REAL POWER LIES IN THE FACT THAT THIS MAN, THE FACT THAT THIS MAN, THE PRESIDENT GOT ON TV AND ADMITTED PRESIDENT GOT ON TV AND ADMITTED THAT THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO, THAT THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO, THAT HE DID THIS, HE DEMANDED THAT HE DID THIS, HE DEMANDED UKRAINE INVESTIGATE, HE DEMAND UKRAINE INVESTIGATE, HE DEMAND CHINA INVESTIGATE, AND WE STILL CHINA INVESTIGATE, AND WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THIS MUCH EVIDENCE HAVE TO HAVE THIS MUCH EVIDENCE TO PROVE A THING THAT WE ALL TO PROVE A THING THAT WE ALL WITNESSED WITH OUR OWN EYES. WITNESSED WITH OUR OWN EYES. THAT’S THE TESTAMENT TO THE THAT’S THE TESTAMENT TO THE POWER, NOT ONLY OF REPUBLICAN POWER, NOT ONLY OF REPUBLICAN PARTISANSHIP, BUT ALSO OF PARTISANSHIP, BUT ALSO OF TRUMP’S LARGER WHITE NATIONALIST TRUMP’S LARGER WHITE NATIONALIST PROJECT, OF HIS PROJECT TO TAKE PROJECT, OF HIS PROJECT TO TAKE DOWN THIS DEMOCRACY, IS THAT WE DOWN THIS DEMOCRACY, IS THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO TELL US THAT THE HAVE PEOPLE WHO TELL US THAT THE TRUTH IS — THAT THEY ARE THE TRUTH IS — THAT THEY ARE THE VICTIMS OF A SHAM. VICTIMS OF A SHAM. AND IN MANY WAYS THAT IS HOW AND IN MANY WAYS THAT IS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT. THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.>>PART OF WHAT YOU’RE GESTURING>>PART OF WHAT YOU’RE GESTURING AT IS IN A HEALTHIER CIVIC AT IS IN A HEALTHIER CIVIC SYSTEM, THE FACTS WOULD BE SAEBD SYSTEM, THE FACTS WOULD BE SAEBD AND THERE AND THERE ESTABLISHED AND THERE ARE ESTABLISHED AND THERE ARE ARGUMENTS OVER REMOVING A ARGUMENTS OVER REMOVING A PRESIDENT WHO HAS DONE THINGS IN PRESIDENT WHO HAS DONE THINGS IN THE VIEW OF THE MANY TERRIBLE. THE VIEW OF THE MANY TERRIBLE. BUT YOU’RE SAYING WE’RE NOT BUT YOU’RE SAYING WE’RE NOT THERE YET BECAUSE WE’RE LAYING THERE YET BECAUSE WE’RE LAYING OUT WHAT HAPPENED. OUT WHAT HAPPENED.>>I’M LITERALLY SAYING THAT>>I’M LITERALLY SAYING THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE ALL THE POWER THESE PEOPLE HAVE ALL THE POWER TO DETERMINE THE NARRATIVE, BUT TO DETERMINE THE NARRATIVE, BUT THEY ARE CLAIMING THAT THEY ARE THEY ARE CLAIMING THAT THEY ARE VICTIMS. VICTIMS. AND SO THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO AND SO THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO ENGAGE MANY THIS DRUM BEAT WITH ENGAGE MANY THIS DRUM BEAT WITH THEM AND WE CAN’T MOVE THIS THEM AND WE CAN’T MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD. PROCESS FORWARD.>>WELL, I GUESS WE ARE IN SOME>>WELL, I GUESS WE ARE IN SOME WAYS MOVING THE PROCESS FORWARD. WAYS MOVING THE PROCESS FORWARD. I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT THAT THE I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT THAT THE FACT THAT OUR POLITICS IS SO HE FACT THAT OUR POLITICS IS SO HE POLARIZED IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON POLARIZED IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON THIS WITNESS TESTIMONY TO THIS WITNESS TESTIMONY TO CONFIRM THINGS. CONFIRM THINGS. AND YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT THIS TOO, AND YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT THIS TOO, THAT TRUMP, YOU KNOW, IN SOME THAT TRUMP, YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAYS KIND OF GESTURED RIGHT ON WAYS KIND OF GESTURED RIGHT ON TELEVISION RIGHT IN FRONT OF US TELEVISION RIGHT IN FRONT OF US IF YOU DO THE CRIME RIGHT ON TV IF YOU DO THE CRIME RIGHT ON TV SOMEHOW IT’S NOT A CRIME SOMEHOW IT’S NOT A CRIME ANYMORE. ANYMORE.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO>>I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM ALL THESE WITNESS HEAR FROM ALL THESE WITNESS WHEN’S YOU HAVE A SEGMENT OF THE WHEN’S YOU HAVE A SEGMENT OF THE PUBLIC THAT’S SO SKEPTICAL. PUBLIC THAT’S SO SKEPTICAL. AND AS YOU WERE SAYING, THIS IS AND AS YOU WERE SAYING, THIS IS HOW INVESTIGATIONS WORK. HOW INVESTIGATIONS WORK. YOU HAVE CONCENTRIC CIRCLES AND YOU HAVE CONCENTRIC CIRCLES AND PEOPLE CONFIRM EACH OTHER. PEOPLE CONFIRM EACH OTHER.>>AND I’LL HAND IT BACK TO YOU,>>AND I’LL HAND IT BACK TO YOU, BUT TO THAT POINT, WHEN MUELLER BUT TO THAT POINT, WHEN MUELLER WAS DOING THIS, ALTHOUGH WE DID WAS DOING THIS, ALTHOUGH WE DID FOLLOW IT, WE DIDN’T HAVE NEARLY FOLLOW IT, WE DIDN’T HAVE NEARLY THE REALTIME READOUTS. THE REALTIME READOUTS.>>EXACTLY.>>EXACTLY. IT’S KEY BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE IT’S KEY BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE IS BLOCKING PRODUCTION OF ALL IS BLOCKING PRODUCTION OF ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT THE DEMOCRATS THE DOCUMENTS THAT THE DEMOCRATS WANT. WANT. SO THEY DON’T HAVE INTERNAL SO THEY DON’T HAVE INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS, THEY DON’T HAVE COMMUNICATIONS, THEY DON’T HAVE RECORDS OF KEY MEETINGS. RECORDS OF KEY MEETINGS. SO HEARING FROM PEOPLE’S MOUTHS SO HEARING FROM PEOPLE’S MOUTHS WHAT HAPPENED, THAT’S THEIR WAY WHAT HAPPENED, THAT’S THEIR WAY OF BUILDING A RECORD. OF BUILDING A RECORD.>>I THINK EVEN MORE THAN THAT,>>I THINK EVEN MORE THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE YOU KNOW, WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN SAYING UP UNTIL NOW, YOU BEEN SAYING UP UNTIL NOW, YOU KNOW, BESIDES THESE PROCESS KNOW, BESIDES THESE PROCESS COMPLAINTS, IS THAT, WELL, IT’S COMPLAINTS, IS THAT, WELL, IT’S JUST TRUMP BEING TRUMP. JUST TRUMP BEING TRUMP. WHICH ON THE ONE HAND IS AN WHICH ON THE ONE HAND IS AN INCREDIBLY DAMNING ADMISSION INCREDIBLY DAMNING ADMISSION THAT YOU CAN’T TRUST THE THAT YOU CAN’T TRUST THE PRESIDENT NOT TO COMMIT CRIMES. PRESIDENT NOT TO COMMIT CRIMES. BUT THE ARGUMENT WAS HE JUST BUT THE ARGUMENT WAS HE JUST MADE THIS ONE PHONE CALL AND MADE THIS ONE PHONE CALL AND HE’S SORT OF VERBALLY HE’S SORT OF VERBALLY INCONTINENT, HE SAYS ALL SORTS INCONTINENT, HE SAYS ALL SORTS OF THINGS AND NOBODY TAKES HIM OF THINGS AND NOBODY TAKES HIM SERIOUSLY. SERIOUSLY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FIONA ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FIONA HILL AND BILL TAYLOR AND NOW HILL AND BILL TAYLOR AND NOW VINDMAN HAVE CONFIRMED, THIS VINDMAN HAVE CONFIRMED, THIS WASN’T JUST ONE PHONE CALL. WASN’T JUST ONE PHONE CALL. THIS WAS OVER MANY, MANY MONTHS. THIS WAS OVER MANY, MANY MONTHS.>>ISN’T THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO>>ISN’T THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO WHATEVER’S HAPPENING, MAYBE NOT WHATEVER’S HAPPENING, MAYBE NOT TODAY OR TOMORROW, IF THEY HOLD TODAY OR TOMORROW, IF THEY HOLD THIS VOTE ON THURSDAY AND IF THIS VOTE ON THURSDAY AND IF THEY ULTIMATELY IMPEACH DONALD THEY ULTIMATELY IMPEACH DONALD TRUMP, THE SENATE WILL HAVE TO TRUMP, THE SENATE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS. DEAL WITH THIS. THERE MAY BE SENATORS WHO WANT THERE MAY BE SENATORS WHO WANT TO COVER HIS OR HER HEADS AND TO COVER HIS OR HER HEADS AND NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING. NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING. BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER SNRS THAT BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER SNRS THAT THAT SAY WE HAVE TO GET INTO THAT SAY WE HAVE TO GET INTO WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE. WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE. THERE MAY BE A DEFENSE THAT A THERE MAY BE A DEFENSE THAT A TERRIBLE PHONE CALL IS NOT TERRIBLE PHONE CALL IS NOT IMPEACHABLE IF ALL YOU DID WAS IMPEACHABLE IF ALL YOU DID WAS HAVE ONE TERRIBLE PHONE CALL AND HAVE ONE TERRIBLE PHONE CALL AND AFTERWARD THE GENERALS CAME IN AFTERWARD THE GENERALS CAME IN AND THE SECURITY ADVISER CAME IN AND THE SECURITY ADVISER CAME IN AND SAID YOU CAN’T DO THAT AND AND SAID YOU CAN’T DO THAT AND THE PRESIDENT REASSESSED. THE PRESIDENT REASSESSED. WHAT YOU’RE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS WHAT YOU’RE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS WASN’T A BAD PHONE CALL, THIS WASN’T A BAD PHONE CALL, THIS WASN’T BAD WORDS THERE ARE WASN’T BAD WORDS THERE ARE WASN’T A MISTAKE, THAT THIS WAS WASN’T A MISTAKE, THAT THIS WAS THE ALLEGED CRIMINAL FOREIGN THE ALLEGED CRIMINAL FOREIGN POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES. POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. I THINK THAT THEY’RE ALREADY I THINK THAT THEY’RE ALREADY SORT OF MOVING TO THAT DEFENSE, SORT OF MOVING TO THAT DEFENSE, TO, YOU KNOW, THEY’RE KIND OF TO, YOU KNOW, THEY’RE KIND OF NOT HE DIDN’T DO IT BUT THAT NOT HE DIDN’T DO IT BUT THAT IT’S FINE AND IT WILL BE IT’S FINE AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY CAN INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY CAN SUSTAIN THAT AFTER, YOU KNOW, A SUSTAIN THAT AFTER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, AFTER LOT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, AFTER IT’S KIND OF VERY CLEAR TO ALL IT’S KIND OF VERY CLEAR TO ALL OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHAT OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHAT EXACTLY HAS HAPPENED. EXACTLY HAS HAPPENED. I THINK THAT PROBABLY MOST OF I THINK THAT PROBABLY MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS WILL COME DOWN THE REPUBLICANS WILL COME DOWN ON THIS IS FINE. ON THIS IS FINE.>>LET ME PUT YOU ON THAT.>>LET ME PUT YOU ON THAT. FOR YOU AND THE PANEL. FOR YOU AND THE PANEL. HAVE THEY, THE TRUMP DEFENDERS HAVE THEY, THE TRUMP DEFENDERS IN WASHINGTON, LANDED ON ITS IN WASHINGTON, LANDED ON ITS FINE? FINE? I KNOW THIS IS LIKE THE CRAZIEST I KNOW THIS IS LIKE THE CRAZIEST PART OF COVERING THESE DAYS OF PART OF COVERING THESE DAYS OF 2019, BUT I THINK THAT IT SEEMED 2019, BUT I THINK THAT IT SEEMED LIKE THE CHIEF OF STAFF CAME OUT LIKE THE CHIEF OF STAFF CAME OUT WITH A TRIAL BALLOON OF IT’S WITH A TRIAL BALLOON OF IT’S FINE AND THEN HAD TO WALK THAT FINE AND THEN HAD TO WALK THAT BACK. BACK.>>I THINK THAT’S TRUE, BUT>>I THINK THAT’S TRUE, BUT THEN, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THEN, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENED SINCE THEN, ONE WHAT’S HAPPENED SINCE THEN, ONE OF THE LINES OF DEFENSE THEY OF THE LINES OF DEFENSE THEY WERE TRYING OUT THIS MORNING WAS WERE TRYING OUT THIS MORNING WAS THIS REALLY FRIGHTENING AND THIS REALLY FRIGHTENING AND OUTRAGEOUS SMEAR OF VINDMAN THAT OUTRAGEOUS SMEAR OF VINDMAN THAT YOU HEARD ON FOX NEWS AND SOME YOU HEARD ON FOX NEWS AND SOME REPUBLICANS THAT YOU CAN’T REPUBLICANS THAT YOU CAN’T REALLY TRUST HIM BECAUSE HIS REALLY TRUST HIM BECAUSE HIS FAMILY IS FROM THE FORMER SOVIET FAMILY IS FROM THE FORMER SOVIET UNION, RIGHT? UNION, RIGHT? ESSENTIALLY THE SMEAR THAT AN ESSENTIALLY THE SMEAR THAT AN IMMIGRANT NECESSARILY, AN IMMIGRANT NECESSARILY, AN IMMIGRANT THAT CAME HERE WHEN HE IMMIGRANT THAT CAME HERE WHEN HE WAS 3 NECESSARILY HAVE DUAL WAS 3 NECESSARILY HAVE DUAL LOYALTIES. LOYALTIES. IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOING IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOING TO GET BEHIND THAT, THAT’S TRULY TO GET BEHIND THAT, THAT’S TRULY TERRIFYING. TERRIFYING. I THINK THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD I THINK THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO WALK AWAY FROM THAT, RIGHT? TO WALK AWAY FROM THAT, RIGHT? YOU HAVE LIZ CHENEY BACK AWAY YOU HAVE LIZ CHENEY BACK AWAY FROM THAT. FROM THAT. YOU HAD A LOT OF PUSHBACK, MAYBE YOU HAD A LOT OF PUSHBACK, MAYBE BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO INDECENT FOR THEM OR MAYBE TOO INDECENT FOR THEM OR MAYBE THEY THOUGHT IT WASN’T A THEY THOUGHT IT WASN’T A SUSTAINABLE ARGUMENT. SUSTAINABLE ARGUMENT. THEY’RE NOT GOING TO STAND THEY’RE NOT GOING TO STAND BEFORE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND BEFORE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND SAY DON’T TRUST THIS ARMY SAY DON’T TRUST THIS ARMY COLONEL, HE’S AN IMMIGRANT. COLONEL, HE’S AN IMMIGRANT. AND SO — AND THEY’VE ALSO HAD AND SO — AND THEY’VE ALSO HAD TO SOMEWHAT GIVE UP ON THESE TO SOMEWHAT GIVE UP ON THESE PROCESS QUESTIONS BECAUSE NANCY PROCESS QUESTIONS BECAUSE NANCY PELOSI HAS CALLED THEIR BLUFF. PELOSI HAS CALLED THEIR BLUFF. YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HEAR REPORTS YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HEAR REPORTS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE THAT TRUMP FROM THE WHITE HOUSE THAT TRUMP AND KUSHNER WANT TO DEBATE THIS AND KUSHNER WANT TO DEBATE THIS ON THE MERITS. ON THE MERITS. THEY WANT THAT DEFENSE TO BE THEY WANT THAT DEFENSE TO BE MADE ON THE MERITS. MADE ON THE MERITS. AND SO WHERE ELSE ARE THEY GOING AND SO WHERE ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? TO GO?>>AND, EMILY, THERE’S A>>AND, EMILY, THERE’S A DIFFERENCE IN IMPEACHING THE DIFFERENCE IN IMPEACHING THE WITNESS AND SAYING YOU CAN’T WITNESS AND SAYING YOU CAN’T TRUST HIM, WHAT HE’S SAYING TRUST HIM, WHAT HE’S SAYING ISN’T TRUE. ISN’T TRUE. AND SAYING IT DOESN’T MATTER AND SAYING IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE, TO QUOTE WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE, TO QUOTE MICHELLE GOLDBERG, IT’S FINE. MICHELLE GOLDBERG, IT’S FINE.>>I THINK THAT THE WAY IN WHICH>>I THINK THAT THE WAY IN WHICH THEY STILL HAVEN’T SAID IT’S THEY STILL HAVEN’T SAID IT’S FINE IS THE IDEA THAT TRUMP WAS FINE IS THE IDEA THAT TRUMP WAS WITHHOLDING MILITARY AID, WITHHOLDING MILITARY AID, FREEZING THIS AID THAT CONGRESS FREEZING THIS AID THAT CONGRESS HAD AUTHORIZED FOR UKRAINE IN HAD AUTHORIZED FOR UKRAINE IN RETURN FOR DIGGING UP DIRT ON RETURN FOR DIGGING UP DIRT ON JOE BIDEN AND HIS FAMILY. JOE BIDEN AND HIS FAMILY. THAT, I THINK, THEY HAVE NOT THAT, I THINK, THEY HAVE NOT CONCEDED. CONCEDED. THAT’S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT. THAT’S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT. AND WILLIAM TAYLOR TESTIFIED TO AND WILLIAM TAYLOR TESTIFIED TO THAT LEVEL OF QUID PRO QUO LAST THAT LEVEL OF QUID PRO QUO LAST WEEK. WEEK. I’M REALLY INTERESTED IN WHETHER I’M REALLY INTERESTED IN WHETHER FUTURE WITNESSES GET INTO THAT FUTURE WITNESSES GET INTO THAT TERRAIN AS THE KIND OF MORE TERRAIN AS THE KIND OF MORE SERIOUS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL SERIOUS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL PAYBACK THAT TRUMP WAS ASKING PAYBACK THAT TRUMP WAS ASKING FOR. FOR.>>AND THAT GOES TO, AGAIN, NEW>>AND THAT GOES TO, AGAIN, NEW REVELATIONS FROM VINDMAN. REVELATIONS FROM VINDMAN. I’M GOING TO READ THIS TO YOU, I’M GOING TO READ THIS TO YOU, BRITTANY, BECAUSE THIS GETS INTO BRITTANY, BECAUSE THIS GETS INTO HIM VERSUS AMBASSADOR SONDLAND HIM VERSUS AMBASSADOR SONDLAND WHO IS YOUR TRUMP LOYALIST AND WHO IS YOUR TRUMP LOYALIST AND DONOR. DONOR. HE SAID SONDLAND IMFA SIZED THE HE SAID SONDLAND IMFA SIZED THE IMPORTANCE THAT UKRAINE DELIVER IMPORTANCE THAT UKRAINE DELIVER ON THE QUID PRO QUO, THE ON THE QUID PRO QUO, THE INVESTIGATIONS OF 2016 AND INVESTIGATIONS OF 2016 AND BIDENS. BIDENS. I STATED THIS IS NEW TODAY, I STATED THIS IS NEW TODAY, AMBASSADOR SONDLAND’S STATEMENTS AMBASSADOR SONDLAND’S STATEMENTS WERE INAPPROPRIATE. WERE INAPPROPRIATE. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH NATIONAL SECURITY AND I REPORTED NATIONAL SECURITY AND I REPORTED MY CONCERNS TO THE NSC’S MY CONCERNS TO THE NSC’S COUNCIL. COUNCIL. THE OTHER THING THAT COMES THE OTHER THING THAT COMES THROUGH HERE NOT THE THIRD THING THROUGH HERE NOT THE THIRD THING OR THE FIRST OR SECOND, BUT OR THE FIRST OR SECOND, BUT YOU’VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE. YOU’VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE.>>YES.>>YES.>>HITTING THE RED PHONE AND THE>>HITTING THE RED PHONE AND THE LAWYERS AND THE WARNINGS, AND IT LAWYERS AND THE WARNINGS, AND IT STILL DIDN’T GET CORRECTED UNTIL STILL DIDN’T GET CORRECTED UNTIL IT WENT PUBLIC. IT WENT PUBLIC.>>THIS IS THE THING THAT I’M>>THIS IS THE THING THAT I’M TRYING TO GET AT BY TALKING TRYING TO GET AT BY TALKING ABOUT THE MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE, ABOUT THE MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE, RIGHT? RIGHT? PART OF WHAT I KNOW BEING AN PART OF WHAT I KNOW BEING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN IN THIS COUNTRY AFRICAN AMERICAN IN THIS COUNTRY IS THAT VERY OFTEN WHEN YOU IS THAT VERY OFTEN WHEN YOU YOU’RE A PERSON THAT DOESN’T YOU’RE A PERSON THAT DOESN’T HAVE POWER, YOU ARE YELLING HAVE POWER, YOU ARE YELLING ABOUT INJUSTICES THAT HAPPEN. ABOUT INJUSTICES THAT HAPPEN. AND PEOPLE CAN KEEP ON AND PEOPLE CAN KEEP ON DISMISSING THOSE INJUSTICES DISMISSING THOSE INJUSTICES BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN AGENDA. BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN AGENDA. AND SO THEN YOU NEED MOUNTAINS AND SO THEN YOU NEED MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT THE OF EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT THE COPS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY COPS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY TARGETING AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN. TARGETING AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN. WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS IN THE WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS IN THE COUNTRY. COUNTRY. I’M TALKING ABOUT THE LEVELS OF I’M TALKING ABOUT THE LEVELS OF EVIDENCE IT’S TAKEN TO PROVE EVIDENCE IT’S TAKEN TO PROVE SOMETHING WE ALREADY KNOW. SOMETHING WE ALREADY KNOW. YES, I BELIEVE IN PROCESS. YES, I BELIEVE IN PROCESS. YES, I THINK THE PROCESS IS YES, I THINK THE PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD. MOVING FORWARD. WHAT GIVES ME PAUSE IS THAT YOU WHAT GIVES ME PAUSE IS THAT YOU STILL HAVE THE REPUBLICANS STILL HAVE THE REPUBLICANS LARGELY HAVING THE POWER BECAUSE LARGELY HAVING THE POWER BECAUSE THEY CONTROL THE SENATE TO NOT THEY CONTROL THE SENATE TO NOT HOLD THIS MAN ACCOUNTABLE. HOLD THIS MAN ACCOUNTABLE. SO THE DEMOCRATS WILL ENGAGE IN SO THE DEMOCRATS WILL ENGAGE IN THIS THEATER, IT IS APPROPRIATE THIS THEATER, IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO DO SO. FOR THEM TO DO SO. WE WILL ENGAGE IN THIS PROCESS. WE WILL ENGAGE IN THIS PROCESS. BUT THE FACT THAT WE KEEP ON BUT THE FACT THAT WE KEEP ON HAVING TO REITERATE SOMETHING HAVING TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY KNOW GIVES ME THAT WE ALREADY KNOW GIVES ME REAL PAUSE. REAL PAUSE. A COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T HAVE A A COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND GRASP ON CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND GRASP ON THE TRUTH DESPITE ALL OF THESE THE TRUTH DESPITE ALL OF THESE OFFICIALS COMING FORWARD AND OFFICIALS COMING FORWARD AND SAYING THIS IS A PROBLEM IS AN SAYING THIS IS A PROBLEM IS AN EMPIRE THAT’S DEAD ON ARRIVAL. EMPIRE THAT’S DEAD ON ARRIVAL.>>WELL, YOU WANT TO GET INTO>>WELL, YOU WANT TO GET INTO IT, WE’RE TALKING, EMILY, ABOUT IT, WE’RE TALKING, EMILY, ABOUT BURDEN OF PROOF. BURDEN OF PROOF.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>YOU’RE SAYING THAT WHILE THE>>YOU’RE SAYING THAT WHILE THE RULES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE RULES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE STANDARD OF BURDEN OF PROOF, THE STANDARD OF BURDEN OF PROOF, THE SYSTEM, AS IT HAS OPERATED, HAS SYSTEM, AS IT HAS OPERATED, HAS DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE BASED ON POWER DIFFERENT PEOPLE BASED ON POWER AND MARGINALIZATION. AND MARGINALIZATION.>>LET ME SAY ONE LAST THING>>LET ME SAY ONE LAST THING ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. WHAT I’M SAYING IS THAT TRUMP WHAT I’M SAYING IS THAT TRUMP CLAIMING THAT HE IS POWERLESS CLAIMING THAT HE IS POWERLESS BUT THE EVIDENCE THAT HE IS MORE BUT THE EVIDENCE THAT HE IS MORE POWERFUL THAN HE SHOULD BE IS POWERFUL THAN HE SHOULD BE IS THAT WE ARE REQUIRING SO MUCH THAT WE ARE REQUIRING SO MUCH EVIDENCE IN THE FACE OF BRAZEN EVIDENCE IN THE FACE OF BRAZEN SKIRTING AND BREAKING OF LAWS SKIRTING AND BREAKING OF LAWS AND USING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AS AND USING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AS A SHAKEDOWN FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL A SHAKEDOWN FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL INTERESTS. INTERESTS.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT. AS A SHAKEDOWN THAT ENLISTED AS A SHAKEDOWN THAT ENLISTED MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY WHO ARE GENERALLY UNDERSTANDING OF THE GENERALLY UNDERSTANDING OF THE USE AND PROJECTION OF AMERICAN USE AND PROJECTION OF AMERICAN POWER ABROAD, INCLUDING TO TAKE POWER ABROAD, INCLUDING TO TAKE LIVES WHEN DEEMED NECESSARY OR LIVES WHEN DEEMED NECESSARY OR JUSTIFIED, ARE SAYING, YES, JUSTIFIED, ARE SAYING, YES, THERE IS THE POWER TO KILL BUT THERE IS THE POWER TO KILL BUT THERE ISN’T THE POWER TO DO THERE ISN’T THE POWER TO DO THIS. THIS. THE PRESIDENT HAS GONE TOO FAR. THE PRESIDENT HAS GONE TOO FAR.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>AND AS YOU SAY, HOW MUCH>>AND AS YOU SAY, HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DOES AMERICA NEED? EVIDENCE DOES AMERICA NEED? THIS WAS A FASCINATING THIS WAS A FASCINATING CONVERSATION. CONVERSATION. I WILL BE BRINGING BRITTANY AND

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  1. Ltc. Alex Vindmin is an "Active Duty" Democratic Party FRAUD, who SAID NOTHING when Indonesian Usurper + Muslim-Loving "KGB Plant" Barry Soetoro (Obama's real name) used a "Foreign Agent" (British MI-6 Spy, Christopher Steele) to LIE to the U.S. FISA Court in order to illegally wiretap Donald Trump's Manhattan Offices !!!

  2. It's like trying to steal life insurance money by committing a murder.
    All Trump wanted was a record of Biden and his son's employment but he tried to achieve it by committing a larger crime.

    Is Trump smart?
    Everybody knows the answer by now.

  3. When the President can publicly admit a crime, commit a crime in full view of the public, and still be powerful enough with the support of the Republicans to obviously lie and state "Black is White" and "White is Black", claim they did not say what everyone heard them say and was was video recorded, and yet still be so powerful they can create a narrative so powerful that instead of being a blatant criminal the President is a victim and those trying to bring him to justice for his blatant recorded crimes are the actual criminals… that is really bad. That is what was happening in Germany prior to WWII and is what allowed the German Democratic Republic to be destroyed and replaced with a Dictatorship.

    The USA is in grave trouble.

  4. Don't waste your breath MSNBC to confuse our minds, we read the transcript and have come to the conclusion on our own that there is no quo pro quid in case of Trump, keep useless air shaking while you last. Attention sponsors of MSNBC, you are wasting your money for nothing.

  5. These 3 reporter were amazing ๐Ÿ˜‰. Far right was brilliant. A new perspective on understanding the gravity of Trumps evil influences. โ€œIโ€™m the victim, yet I can do what I want. I hide, I show, some Republicans follow and divideโ€. All
    Shameful- thanks ๐Ÿ™ for bringing this to our attention

  6. Its true we saw Trump ask for a foreign country to interfere in our elections, just like he previously asked Russia to find Hillary's email (Hillary is innocent of any wrong doing.) The white house is like a bad junior high with Trump and Conway being the mean girls. Except Trump has made us so much unsafe and given Russia tons of power while reducing ours.

  7. 1:39 IT'S NOT A FUโ‚ฌKING TRIAL! If this were my husband, I'd make him sleep on the lawn every time he made some asinine comment like this!

  8. Some of us are seriously over Trump, Hillary, and Biden. Bring on a strong leader to unite us, please. Save the country. We need help.

  9. This is as real as the collusion lie. This is just informational noise to try and lessen the effect of the Horowitz and Durham reports.
    I'm still waiting for the proof Schiff kept saying he had of Trump and collusion.
    Schiff and Nadler are liars.

  10. extortion- "do this for me or you get NOTHING No money, no support, no meetings." Bribery and extorsion who cares about quids! I think the press needs to stop using Trump's narrative about "quid pro quos." Name the crimes and his putting American's safety in jeapardy just like he is doing with Syria and will continue to do every day behind our backs and in secret with China.

  11. There were many staff โ€œin on the callโ€. The call was being translated and transcribed…. witch hunt continues.

  12. When Trump proclaimed "You're going to get so tired of winning",
    what he really meant to say is "You're going to get so tired of me whining".

  13. Since when did a clerk in the White House get to decide what the President's Foreign Policy should be?

    So unelected staff members think that they now have the authority to override the President simply because they don't agree with him?

    I don't care how what this guy's service is, he has NO AUTHORITY to decide what the President's agenda should be.

    The only people who get to decide what policies DJT gets to implement are those who VOTED for him.

    Those trying to Impeach him are nothing more than power hungry, greedy, corrupt individuals who see the writing on the wall.

    DJT IN WILL BE VINDICATED AND WILL WIN IN A LANDSLIDE 2020.

  14. Looks like trump is hiding the real transcripts on his top secret server.ย  Oh no, didn't he attack Hillary for the same think?ย  KARMA

  15. The GOP should get onboard. Their alternative is to agonize over nominating him in 2020. If he gets the nomination he will not win… but, if he wins he ruins their party for a generation. If he does not get the nomination he runs away, fractures the GOP, and they lose. Getting onboard and removing him from office is their best bet. I think republicans are putting up the appearance of a fight because they have to… Trumpโ€™s run is OVER

  16. I love Brittney Cooper! And I agree with her wholeheartedly. The republican party has, for far longer than trump has been in the picture, intimidated the Democratic Party. And the Democrats have allowed it. They allow the republicans to force them to go to extremes to prove their point, much farther than they should have to go. They obstructed everything that President Obama tried to do. They play their stupid little games to keep obstructing justice. After the Mueller Report, an impeachment inquiry should have been open. The evidence in the REDACTED report would have definitely been enough for the corrupt republican party to open an impeachment inquiry if this were a Democrat. Nancy Pelosi took way too long to finally get this moving. Personally, as appalling as it is, the Ukraine call isn't even the worst thing trump AND the republicans have done. The fact that they are saying Lt. Vindman doesn't have reliable information because, at 3 years old, his parents immigrated from Ukraine merely shows how racist they all are.

  17. Yeah, but will the American people see the actual transcript of The Phone Call, which is currently hidden God knows where? Will the American people see Donny's tax returns. I am sure the Republicans will want to be transparent…fair?

  18. Everybody Lies.
    But most political lies have much larger strategies and reasons behind the telling.
    Chasing Trump's puny personally aggrandizing lying is like trying to squash a quick cockroach in a crowded room. It hides next to everyone's shoes.
    ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜œ

  19. TRUMP SUPPORTERS ! dont bother watching this. It requires you to be able to join 2 dots together with a straight line which is something i am sure is beyond your level of education.

  20. Even tRump's stupid edited version of that transcript pointed to quid pro quo action on his behalf , not the country's behalf- Yeah, as FOX and the right trashes this colonel guy because he won't lie for tRump & gang . Of course tRumpies buy the stupid excuses for why he held up military aid to the Ukraine they needed, what the favor tRump wanted was, the texts etc. There is a difference between this guy and say Gen. Flynn who besides his lie about meeting w the Russian ambassador, also failed to register as lobbyist for the deposed Pro-Russian former Ukraine Leader for money.

  21. The irony about all of this is it's not just the presidency the president is just indicative of what the entire United States is doing to people who don't have no power

  22. While Gen. Mattis fades away in the comfort of his self constructed cocoon, secure in his very generous retirement benefits,
    criticizing his former assistant for not subscribing to his ridiculous notion that Trump deserves silence from wronged subordinates. Actually impuning the "honor" of the man, should take a look at true courage and honor in this Lt. Col. Your looking pretty sad there Mad Dog Mattis.

  23. You people are pathetic. There are many people who listen to those calls, and there is a transcript of the entire conversation. Your lies will come back on you, and no one is going to feel sorry for you. Your news cast is old school propaganda, and the only people who watch you couldn't find their butts with both hands.

  24. Forย the WH to insist that the admitted quid pro quo was not consummated and, therefore, nothing wrong there,ย is akin to someone pulling out a gun at a convenience store and demanding money but leaving anyway with no cash taken. Still a crime.

  25. I read somewhere that some people are advocating a Senate vote that is done by secret ballot so the Senate can forget about pleasing their constituents and actually vote like they feel. But I haven't heard much more about this. Hope it could be done.

  26. so let me get this straight. Trump became the president of the United States so he could use the military to scare away . . . the russians? Because he has some type of illegal business dealings? Honestly if that actually true, then Trump is a Bond villain . . . ahh bad business man = bond villain. How else could it be any other way???

    Listen to yourselves. 4/10 for creativity.

  27. We need to put Barr under the jail because he is so corrupt. We really need to remove Trump, his kids,Wife, Barr, Pence, Rudy and their bands of corrupt Republican men.

  28. Of course Trump is making up stuff, because he is the one being impeached. He has to say everything is wrong. He is going to say everything of impeachment is illegal.. HE IS THE ONE BEING IMPEACHED. THIS IS ALL LEGAL!

  29. The US constitution is above every women and men, even a president. Above the rich and the poor. It deserve to be respected and protected.

    Tyranny shall leave the WH.

  30. For the first time in the history of news headlines, I can't get enough of hearing the words, "the impeachment of Donald Trump".

  31. I can't wait until tRump, Barr, Kellyanne Conway, Stephanie Grisham, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, Cippolone, Melanie, ivanka, Jared and Sekulow are looking for work – out of a job. That will be a wonderful day.

  32. The testimony of several officials show that a congressman received money from the Giuliani goons. Which one? Why isn't Wilbur Ross on the stand also? The ole boys of Rudy that got busted last week and Wilbur GO WAY WAY BACK… wonder wonder who… who is the one getting the $? My money is on Jim Jordan. He isn't worried about losing his constituents. He is still defending a mobster. The ones saying I DIDN'T FART… are the ones who rolled in poop before they came to the party.

  33. IS IT ONLY ME OR DOES IT LOOK OUT OF LINE FOR THE SECURITY TO "FRISK" PEOPLE LIKE THE ARMED FORCES THE WAY I SAW THEM DOING TO THE LIEUTENANT COLONEL WHEN GOING IN TO TESFY.
    IT IS DEGRADING TO ME BUT IF THE SECURITY PERSONNEL HAS TO FRISK THE "ARMED FORCES" THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN UNFORM. PERIOD.

    WE JUST SAW PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SAYING HOW HE RESPECTS THE "ARMED FORCES " AFTER HE SAW THEM TAKING OUT (KILLING) THE "ISIS" BOSS.

    THIS IS AFTER WE ALL HEARD HIM THAT HE "COULD" DO BETTER THAN SOME OF THE GENERALS".

    THESE ARE THE FINNEST OF THE "AMERICAN FORCES" WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE OF FIRE" THAT HE HAS BEEN DEGRATING.
    (WHAT A SHAME).
    PEACE IN AM.
    PEACE IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
    โœŒ๐Ÿ‘Œโค

  34. In the past I was so one sided about politics, after hours of research I feel there is more at play than on TV.

    Read: "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics"
    https://amzn.to/2PxPGAP.
    I'm in a never ending rabbit hole

  35. The lady in the purple shirt is right! How much evidence do one need , when the corparate already admitted guild for the crime! And you have to have a trial just to prove what he admitted to, is a crime , ! Infreakingcredible! Everything have been demonic adnormal ever since he been in office! It should be over after he said he did! Period full stop!

  36. The Vindman brothers ? Why are Russian born, Ukrainian citizens, U S Army officers ? Why did Fiona Hill ( SOROS ) and BILL Taylor ( CIA ) bring them into the Whitehouse ?? Lenoid Vindman was "TRIED and CONVICTED of ILLEGAL ARMS and SECRETS SALES to LIBYA" !!! This is the "BENGAZI GANG" trying to OVERTHROW the U S government !

  37. Republicans: " We have to have a vote. This is unfair".
    Trump: " We need a vote " So unfair " Another witchunt."
    Democrats: Ok we will have a vote.
    Republicans and Trump: " No it took too long. So unfair. "
    LMFAO

  38. what did the col say ummm did he say trump demanded invest or no money just asking that has not been reported or leaked seems only question and if if he did is that enough for impeach well house can vote and say yes then senate will vote just like clinton that will be the end of it

  39. John Yoo immigrated from Korea as a child with his parents to the United States. Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman immigrated from Ukraine as a child with his parents to the United States. #BetterCallSaul

  40. Trump is allowed to break the laws, but he better not break the friendships of his base or his 'tools' in congress. Sounds like a dictator above the law to me. The truth will be if he can not be touched by law enforcement or congress and keep his position as dictator. What comes after that is something fit for a Halloween story.

  41. Republicans don't want to read their disposition they want to attack the witnesses integrity and loyalty.
    Barr has been very involved in this illegal behavior and his license should be removed.
    The republicans are responsible for what is happening today because these cowards went along with Trump crimes and forgot the pledge they made to their office/constitution and to the citizens of America not a pledge to TRUMP.
    Don't trust the witnesses because he's an immigrant who served in our military WTF.
    Don't trust the first lady Melania, because she's an immigrant from a communist county and her dad belonged to the communist party.
    It hasn't been a sham the court said it was legal and within their rights.

  42. Joselico gracias Dois ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿฆ๐Ÿ› ๐Ÿ”ฅโญ๏ธ๐Ÿฆ…๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿป

  43. Interpretation of what happened is NOT needed with the transcript. This "purple heart" has a very narrow, possibly partisan, world view of language, he's just an NPC. He offers no facts, just opinion. Like a disgruntled employee. Meh.

  44. Propagandist ignore the Manning whistleblast…but he dared to question the Democrat policy of cover up…where are the rest of the transcribers backing up this "brave hero'….oh yeah, they didn't.

  45. Colonel VIndland is more American than any of those Comrade Trump supporters, and those Putin-loving Republicans could dream of being. He is truly an American, a Patriot, and a hero.

  46. Vindman clearly didn't know that Trump has been querying the Biden corruption since long before Biden announced his running, or the fact that the Ukrainian president doesnt and didn't feel pressured….and these morons cry "White Nationalism"…lol.

  47. Republicans; The process is flawed as there was no vote. Dems; Vote is not required but they take a vote anyway. Repiblicans; Not fair! First we have a lying president and the Dems keep taking away our talking pts.

  48. Shame on Republicans lying and protecting a fraudulent, dangerous, fake president, who represents Russia over American citizens.

  49. Poor little rethuglicans their little deflection isn't working and the orange blob is continuing to dig his own grave.

  50. Yo Ari, your watchers on here know some stuff… Please, get rid of these #RepeatArtists and just bring back our favorite #BowtieGuy back to go deeper PLEASE

  51. Just call Obama Biden & Biden for all your Ukrainian briberies and Chinese contracting….

    The Democrats want division more han anything. They donโ€™t care about America or the people. They are obsessed with power.

  52. Read the resolution. I did and it's beyond fair to Donald Trump. https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hres660/BILLS-116hres660ih.pdf

  53. WS is the reason behind this racism in the republican party. Why cant nobody see this? Its racism on the Demos side as well but the KKK make it known that they hate people of color and jews. Racism and greed has just about destroyed this country.

  54. Finally!!! God please make this christmas Trump is not and the presidence HE RESIGN. PLE AS E GOD ๐ŸŽ„๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽโœจ๐ŸŽ„๐ŸŽ„๐ŸŽ„๐ŸŽ„๐ŸŽ„

  55. Putin got what he wanted: focus shifted onto Ukraine… that was his goal all along… planting those Russian mobsters in Trump's orbit with mental Rudy in the center of it all…
    oh… anyone heard about the Russian Internet? Cut of from the rest of the world? hm…

  56. You knew what you were getting with Trump. You didn't want him in the first place. So now you are stuck with him. So stop your yelling and take your licks like big boys.

  57. Not that Trump is prone to being stubborn but if he flat out refuses to cooperate with this process could that bring about removal from office…

  58. Democrats have gone crazy. And with them, more than one television channel, like MSNBC. It is a deep disappointment. He believed that the Democrats had moral principles, but the truth is that they are cynical. What a pity!

  59. C'mon, we all knew that Trump was not exactly "trustworthy". Problem is, Hillary was even worse. And now they are trying to offer the Biden "choice". Democrats are corrupt and worthless, sorry to say. Time to vote for a progressive like Sanders, even if we have to write him in.

  60. Follow the money. Money is power. How sad for our country. How have we come to this? How have we trusted the almighty dollar that much. Where has our pride gone?

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